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MARQUEZPRECISION
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I have been recently milling round parts that look like they should be done on a lathe machining inconel 718.
Are Lathes more efficient in removing material then a mill.
On a mill the cutter in rotating constantly hitting the part to cut chips off as well as interrupted cuts.
On a lathe it seems more smooth more of constant cutting.
I have been machining 10 year now and i kinda thought this but when you cut inconel718 it makes you think.
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Hertz
Stainless
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This all depends on your rigidity of the machine and width of cut you are taking on a mill.
In most cases its faster to use a lathe if you can hold it good. If I have the choice of a mill or a lathe for turning, I'm using a lathe. Rare circ*mstances I would put it in a mill. Mostly cause I can't hold it good enough on lathe
Mtndew
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MARQUEZPRECISION said:
Are Lathes more efficient in removing material then a mill.
Efficient is situational.
But, lathes can hog some stock off in a heartbeat.
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MARQUEZPRECISION
Plastic
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Ya if were talking about a ridge set up on both mill and lathe and and all circ*mstances at their best.
a 50 dollarfor 1/2 in carbide endmill vs 50 dollars for 5 carbide inserts whats able to take off more material faster and out last the other
i was dealing with inconel 718 it suxs
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MARQUEZPRECISION
Plastic
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i think a lathe is more efficient in removing material
Metalcutter
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Mtndew said:
Efficient is situational.
But, lathes can hog some stock off in a heartbeat.
I really like the Word "Situational." Don't think I've run into it before. It sure defines the meaning.
Regards,
Stan-
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deljr15
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Some time ago a boss once told me. "Never mill what you can turn. Never turn what you can saw"
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CarbideBob
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Turning is almost always faster than milling.
The exception would be internal milling like the AGFM machines or other internal milling cutters.
Turn-broaching or skiving methods may also outrun plain turning ops.
A normal milling tool spends a lot of time cutting air on a round part.
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toolsteel
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95% of the time you are better off turning what you can....finishes are easier to attain, tooling is less expensive....if it is production, fixturing (usually a chuck and 3 or 4 jaws) is readily available and re-usable. I( have however ran in to a few occasions when we will mill something that otherwise might be turned in some small production jobs that we regularly do just for simplicity and to eliminate an operation..........sometimes the best results are to be able to load 1 machine and pull out a finished part....one advantage that milling a turnable surface has is accuracy.....its pretty easy (usually) to hit your dims. when everything is done in one op.
John Welden
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A lot of times I'll mill a bunch of round parts out of a block in the vise. Like a row of 10 plastic parts that don't need to be perfectly round. Buzz them out, slice off on bandsaw (or slitting saw on mill) and 2nd op the back in manual lathe. It's a really fast way to get a bunch of dumb parts.
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deljr15 said:
Some time ago a boss once told me. "Never mill what you can turn. Never turn what you can saw"
That's pretty much true!
It's very hard to beat the the MRR of a saw
Mtndew
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Metalcutter said:
I really like the Word "Situational." Don't think I've run into it before. It sure defines the meaning.
Regards,
Stan-
I don't know how to take that.
Are you being serious or mocking me? lol
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Milland
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Turning will remove more material faster than milling, but with tough, ductile materials (like 718) milling might have the advantage of chip control. Generating a bird's nest of Inconel razor wire can get exciting...
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MARQUEZPRECISION
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I think if a part looks like it should go on a lathe then it should go on a lathe
the job i'm referring to i have to grind and send out like 16 tool to get the profile of the part
when a lathe would of been 6 or so
the cycle time can not be compared the the would win by a mile
now i know you can use a mill to turn a part by holding stock in spindle and mounting turning tools to the table a real mickey mouse way
and i think the only reason the part is hard to make is because in inconel 718
when tools wear out on mill they need to be changed and it take 5 tools to do what one can do on a lathe
inserts can be rotated and compensated to get the part to print
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CougarMountain
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I don't have a cnc lathe, so the cnc mill has done a fair bit of short run production on ti castings that should have been lathe parts, Was more consistant and faster then manual turning. Thread milling large diameter threads is a dream vs manual. A lot easier to contain the chips as well.
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Garwood
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I've had to mill lathe parts when my lathe has been down.
I've also done some parts on the mills when it's just easier to set up. I used to make a bunch of aluminum body lift pucks for a customer. I clamped aluminum plates to the table and left five to ten thou material to hold the parts in. I just broke the pucks out by hand and threw them in tumbler. Worked pretty damn good actually.
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Vancbiker
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On a flip side to this topic, I've seen some jobs run on a screw machine that the only turning done was the parting-off into the subspindle. Everything else about the part were milled features, even the subspindle ops. Even though a mill may have had a faster per part cycle time, the screw machine had the advantage of minimal fixturing (EDM'd collet for the subspindle) the elimination of loading and unloading, and substantial unattended running. Bar feed milling on six sides of the part.
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Guest
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- Oct 22, 2014
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In most cases turning on a lathe there are no fixturing issues to effect how aggressive you can remove material. Most of the time in roughing the only limit you face is horsepower. You don't have to worry about snapping a cutter, vibration or pulling a part out of a vise if you try to do too much.
Philabuster
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Turning Inco 718 on a lathe sucks, but I do it all the time. Greenleaf ceramic inserts work kick ass when the situation allows. Be prepared to change a lot of inserts per part. Tools with a generous lead angle (carbide or ceramic inserts) will help a LOT with tool life.
Milling Inco718 on the other hand is a f*ckING NIGHTMARE even for a 50 taper machine.
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Zokaaa
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My 2 cents
Sometimes I put 4 jaw chuck in my cnc mill and rough out with indexable endmill/facemill then send it to lathe to do a finishing because Im limited with choice of good/sharp tooling
Air time is minimum if u know what are u doing. Example, profiling around stock with constant z stepdown leaves finish similar to the lathe but its 4-5 faster than manual lathe.
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