Milling round parts vs turning them (2024)

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MARQUEZPRECISION

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I have been recently milling round parts that look like they should be done on a lathe machining inconel 718.
Are Lathes more efficient in removing material then a mill.
On a mill the cutter in rotating constantly hitting the part to cut chips off as well as interrupted cuts.
On a lathe it seems more smooth more of constant cutting.
I have been machining 10 year now and i kinda thought this but when you cut inconel718 it makes you think.

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Hertz

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This all depends on your rigidity of the machine and width of cut you are taking on a mill.
In most cases its faster to use a lathe if you can hold it good. If I have the choice of a mill or a lathe for turning, I'm using a lathe. Rare circ*mstances I would put it in a mill. Mostly cause I can't hold it good enough on lathe

Mtndew

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MARQUEZPRECISION said:

Are Lathes more efficient in removing material then a mill.

Efficient is situational.
But, lathes can hog some stock off in a heartbeat.

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Ya if were talking about a ridge set up on both mill and lathe and and all circ*mstances at their best.
a 50 dollarfor 1/2 in carbide endmill vs 50 dollars for 5 carbide inserts whats able to take off more material faster and out last the other
i was dealing with inconel 718 it suxs

Metalcutter

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Mtndew said:

Efficient is situational.
But, lathes can hog some stock off in a heartbeat.

I really like the Word "Situational." Don't think I've run into it before. It sure defines the meaning.

Regards,
Stan-

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deljr15

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Some time ago a boss once told me. "Never mill what you can turn. Never turn what you can saw"

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CarbideBob

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Turning is almost always faster than milling.
The exception would be internal milling like the AGFM machines or other internal milling cutters.
Turn-broaching or skiving methods may also outrun plain turning ops.
A normal milling tool spends a lot of time cutting air on a round part.
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toolsteel

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95% of the time you are better off turning what you can....finishes are easier to attain, tooling is less expensive....if it is production, fixturing (usually a chuck and 3 or 4 jaws) is readily available and re-usable. I( have however ran in to a few occasions when we will mill something that otherwise might be turned in some small production jobs that we regularly do just for simplicity and to eliminate an operation..........sometimes the best results are to be able to load 1 machine and pull out a finished part....one advantage that milling a turnable surface has is accuracy.....its pretty easy (usually) to hit your dims. when everything is done in one op.

John Welden

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A lot of times I'll mill a bunch of round parts out of a block in the vise. Like a row of 10 plastic parts that don't need to be perfectly round. Buzz them out, slice off on bandsaw (or slitting saw on mill) and 2nd op the back in manual lathe. It's a really fast way to get a bunch of dumb parts.

Mtndew

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Metalcutter said:

I really like the Word "Situational." Don't think I've run into it before. It sure defines the meaning.

Regards,
Stan-

I don't know how to take that.
Are you being serious or mocking me? lol

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Milland

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Turning will remove more material faster than milling, but with tough, ductile materials (like 718) milling might have the advantage of chip control. Generating a bird's nest of Inconel razor wire can get exciting...

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I think if a part looks like it should go on a lathe then it should go on a lathe
the job i'm referring to i have to grind and send out like 16 tool to get the profile of the part
when a lathe would of been 6 or so
the cycle time can not be compared the the would win by a mile

now i know you can use a mill to turn a part by holding stock in spindle and mounting turning tools to the table a real mickey mouse way

and i think the only reason the part is hard to make is because in inconel 718

when tools wear out on mill they need to be changed and it take 5 tools to do what one can do on a lathe
inserts can be rotated and compensated to get the part to print

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CougarMountain

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I don't have a cnc lathe, so the cnc mill has done a fair bit of short run production on ti castings that should have been lathe parts, Was more consistant and faster then manual turning. Thread milling large diameter threads is a dream vs manual. A lot easier to contain the chips as well.

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Garwood

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I've had to mill lathe parts when my lathe has been down.

I've also done some parts on the mills when it's just easier to set up. I used to make a bunch of aluminum body lift pucks for a customer. I clamped aluminum plates to the table and left five to ten thou material to hold the parts in. I just broke the pucks out by hand and threw them in tumbler. Worked pretty damn good actually.

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On a flip side to this topic, I've seen some jobs run on a screw machine that the only turning done was the parting-off into the subspindle. Everything else about the part were milled features, even the subspindle ops. Even though a mill may have had a faster per part cycle time, the screw machine had the advantage of minimal fixturing (EDM'd collet for the subspindle) the elimination of loading and unloading, and substantial unattended running. Bar feed milling on six sides of the part.

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Guest

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In most cases turning on a lathe there are no fixturing issues to effect how aggressive you can remove material. Most of the time in roughing the only limit you face is horsepower. You don't have to worry about snapping a cutter, vibration or pulling a part out of a vise if you try to do too much.

Philabuster

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Turning Inco 718 on a lathe sucks, but I do it all the time. Greenleaf ceramic inserts work kick ass when the situation allows. Be prepared to change a lot of inserts per part. Tools with a generous lead angle (carbide or ceramic inserts) will help a LOT with tool life.

Milling Inco718 on the other hand is a f*ckING NIGHTMARE even for a 50 taper machine. Milling round parts vs turning them (9)

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My 2 cents

Sometimes I put 4 jaw chuck in my cnc mill and rough out with indexable endmill/facemill then send it to lathe to do a finishing because Im limited with choice of good/sharp tooling
Air time is minimum if u know what are u doing. Example, profiling around stock with constant z stepdown leaves finish similar to the lathe but its 4-5 faster than manual lathe.

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Milling round parts vs turning them (2024)

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Why is milling better than turning? ›

Unlike in turning, the workpiece does not rotate during milling operations. Instead, the cutting tool rotates and moves while the workpiece remains stationary, although the workpiece can move between operations. Additionally, tool movement can take place along several different axes to achieve more complex designs.

What is the difference between the parts machined by turning and milling? ›

Turning rotates the workpiece against a cutting tool. It uses primarily round bar stock for machining components. Milling spins the cutting tool against a stationary workpiece. It uses primarily square or rectangular bar stock to produce components.

What is the difference between mill turn and turn mill? ›

Mill-turn essentially merges milling and turning operations into one for faster, more efficient machining. Milling relies on a rotating cutting tool that advances into the workpiece to cut away material. Turning relies on a rotating workpiece that a stationary cutting tool advance into.

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Limitations of CNC Milling Machines
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What are the Advantages of Milling?
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Which is more preferred and why up milling or down milling? ›

Down milling is always the preferred method wherever the machine tool, fixture and workpiece will allow. In peripheral down milling, the chip thickness will decrease from the start of cut, gradually reaching zero at the end of cut.

Is turning cheaper than milling? ›

Cost & Efficiency: Turning is cheaper and more efficient. But its cost-effectiveness reduces with volumes. Volume & Prototyping: While milling is better for larger scales, turning is perfect for prototyping and specialized parts like screws or bolts.

What are the three types of milling? ›

In the realm of milling cutters, three types emerge as foundational: the Roughing End Mill, the Slab Mill, and the End Mill Cutter. These three cutter types have distinct applications and offer unique advantages.

Which is better milling machine or lathe? ›

A mill, however, is better suited to machined parts that are not entirely cylindrical, have flat, complex features, or have offset/angled holes. Mills can machine cylindrical features but if the part is purely cylindrical, then a lathe is a better, more precise option.

What are the disadvantages of milling? ›

There are some disadvantages of plain milling to be aware of which are:
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  • Coarser surface finish than face milling.
  • Requires a horizontal milling machine.

What are the disadvantages of manual turning? ›

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However, manual turning also has some limitations, such as the lower levels of accuracy and precision, the difficulty of creating complex shapes and patterns, the dependence on the operator's skill and experience, and the longer production time and lower efficiency.

What are the pros and cons of manual milling? ›

Both methods have advantages and disadvantages, but ultimately, it depends on the specific needs of your machining operations. Manual milling offers hands-on precision and allows for a traditional approach to milling. It requires skill and experience but provides flexibility and customization options.

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  • Capable of cutting challenging contours.
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What are the advantages of milling over lathe in manufacturing? ›

A lathe rotates a workpiece while its cutting tool stays stationary, while in a mill, the cutting tool is moved relative to the rotating workpiece. A lathe is used for machining cylindrical parts, whereas a mill can be used for machining both flat and curved surfaces.

What is the point of milling? ›

Metal milling has many distinct purposes across manufacturing industries, including: Reducing thickness and removing material. Shaping workpieces to precise specifications. Cutting key features like slots, grooves, pockets, flat surfaces, and drilled holes.

What are the advantages of up milling? ›

One of the biggest advantages of up milling is that it has no backlash. In up milling, the rotation of the cutter and workpiece movement doesn't pull the table, so there are no chances of backlash. Moreover, to reduce backlash before components such as eliminator, conventional milling was the preferred option.

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